Why did Sam do it?

bobskat wrote:So this is my first foray into the murder threads so please go easy on me (kidding)

I read through some of the theories on why Sam killed these people and I have to say is I don’t care if he was drunk, on drugs or psychotic, the fact remains he killed people

If he turns out to be insane, fine lock him up in a hospital for the criminally insane. If he makes a breakthrough and is determined to be healthy, send him to a maximum security prison for life

If he was on drugs then he should face the full extent of the law.

If I stalked, hounded or abused every woman who turned me down, broke up with me or just in general treated me like shit I would be in jail a hundred times over.

I don’t know if his art had anything to do with his crime or if his attraction to this form of music meant he has a violent streak and truth to tell I don’t care. I’m not one of those people who blame music, movies or video games on the raise of violence in today’s society. I blame the lack of proper teaching of right and wrong and how to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. His music was fantasy until he carried out his crime

Be honest, how many of us at one point in our lives have wished they could kill someone or even fantasized about it. The difference is we didn’t carry it through because we know it is wrong

bobskat wrote:So this is my first foray into the murder threads so please go easy on me (kidding)

I read through some of the theories on why Sam killed these people and I have to say is I don’t care if he was drunk, on drugs or psychotic, the fact remains he killed people

If he turns out to be insane, fine lock him up in a hospital for the criminally insane. If he makes a breakthrough and is determined to be healthy, send him to a maximum security prison for life

If he was on drugs then he should face the full extent of the law.

If I stalked, hounded or abused every woman who turned me down, broke up with me or just in general treated me like shit I would be in jail a hundred times over.

I don’t know if his art had anything to do with his crime or if his attraction to this form of music meant he has a violent streak and truth to tell I don’t care. I’m not one of those people who blame music, movies or video games on the raise of violence in today’s society. I blame the lack of proper teaching of right and wrong and how to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. His music was fantasy until he carried out his crime

Be honest, how many of us at one point in our lives have wished they could kill someone or even fantasized about it. The difference is we didn’t carry it through because we know it is wrong

ziggy wrote:

bobskat wrote:So this is my first foray into the murder threads so please go easy on me (kidding)

I read through some of the theories on why Sam killed these people and I have to say is I don’t care if he was drunk, on drugs or psychotic, the fact remains he killed people

If he turns out to be insane, fine lock him up in a hospital for the criminally insane. If he makes a breakthrough and is determined to be healthy, send him to a maximum security prison for life

If he was on drugs then he should face the full extent of the law.

If I stalked, hounded or abused every woman who turned me down, broke up with me or just in general treated me like shit I would be in jail a hundred times over.

I don’t know if his art had anything to do with his crime or if his attraction to this form of music meant he has a violent streak and truth to tell I don’t care. I’m not one of those people who blame music, movies or video games on the raise of violence in today’s society. I blame the lack of proper teaching of right and wrong and how to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. His music was fantasy until he carried out his crime

Be honest, how many of us at one point in our lives have wished they could kill someone or even fantasized about it. The difference is we didn’t carry it through because we know it is wrong

Yes Bob, I agree. I guess the mystery here is that Sam didn't show any signs of violent behavior previously, nor did he have a rap sheet at all. Rumor has it he wasn't even a heavy drug user; more of a heavy Energy Drink user if anything. All of the things you mention are correct as far as him being found guilty - regardless of the why he should pay for his crimes.

Some of us just have minds that will not stop searching for the "why" because it's like solving a riddle. It's true there may never be a why, but that won't stop us from asking.

Also, piecing together what actually happened is another mystery. I can't imagine doing anything like killing someone so it fascinates me why people decide to do something like this and how they go about it. I seek to understand things I can't possibly relate to in any way.

dangrsmind wrote:Energy drink consumption is correlated with risky behavior and drug use.

Energy Drinks, Race, and Problem Behaviors among College Students
Kathleen E. Miller, Ph.D.
Kathleen E. Miller, Research Institute on Addictions, University at Buffalo;
Correspondence may be directed to: Dr. Kathleen E. Miller, Research Institute on Addictions, University at Buffalo, 1021 Main Street, Buffalo, NY 14203. Phone: (716) 887-2588. Fax: (716) 887-2215.
The publisher's final edited version of this article is available at J Adolesc Health.

Abstract

Purpose
This study examined relationships between energy drink consumption and problem behaviors among adolescents and emerging adults. It was hypothesized that frequent consumption of energy drinks would be positively associated with substance abuse and other risky behaviors and that these relationships would be moderated by race.

Methods
Cross-sectional, self-report survey data were collected from 602 Western New York undergraduate students in the spring of 2006. Differences in problem behaviors by frequency of energy drink consumption were assessed with multivariate linear and logistic regressions, controlling for gender, race, age, parental education, and college grade point average. Follow-up regressions were conducted to test for a moderating effect of race.

Results
Frequency of energy drink consumption was positively associated with marijuana use, sexual risk-taking, fighting, seatbelt omission, and taking risks on a dare for the sample as a whole, and associated with smoking, drinking, alcohol problems, and illicit prescription drug use for white students but not for black students.

Conclusions
These findings suggest that energy drink consumption is closely associated with a problem behavior syndrome, particularly among whites. Frequent consumption of energy drinks may serve as a useful screening indicator to identify students at risk for substance use and/or other health-compromising behavior.

See [url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2575122/

blouAngel wrote:A RAVEN AND A SWAN


A Raven, which you know is black as coal, was envious of the Swan, because her feathers were as white as the purest snow. The foolish bird got the idea that if he lived like the Swan, swimming and diving all day long and eating the weeds and plants that grow in the water, his feathers would turn white like the Swan's.

So he left his home in the woods and fields and flew down to live on the lakes and in the marshes. But though he washed and washed all day long, almost drowning himself at it, his feathers remained as black as ever. And as the water weeds he ate did not agree with him, he got thinner and thinner, and at last he died.

A change of habits will not alter nature.

ziggy wrote: Yes Bob, I agree. I guess the mystery here is that Sam didn't show any signs of violent behavior previously, nor did he have a rap sheet at all. Rumor has it he wasn't even a heavy drug user; more of a heavy Energy Drink user if anything. All of the things you mention are correct as far as him being found guilty - regardless of the why he should pay for his crimes.

Some of us just have minds that will not stop searching for the "why" because it's like solving a riddle. It's true there may never be a why, but that won't stop us from asking.

Also, piecing together what actually happened is another mystery. I can't imagine doing anything like killing someone so it fascinates me why people decide to do something like this and how they go about it. I seek to understand things I can't possibly relate to in any way.

ziggy wrote:That's a good point Bob, maybe. I think he was certainly upset that after months of online oooing and coooing with Emma and spending the money to go see her he was treated like a leper - made fun of and shunned. I am curious as to why Emma would bestow a gaggle (how much is a gaggle anyway?) of hickeys on his neck and then change her mind and think he was someone she wanted nothing to do with. What happened there?
Bob: bros before hos (hoes?) man, don't ever regret that decision.

Maybe energy drinks could caused a lack of sleep, which some of you may know, can cause a person to hallucinate and act irrationally. I think that is a loser as a defense though.

bobskat wrote:

ziggy wrote:That's a good point Bob, maybe. I think he was certainly upset that after months of online oooing and coooing with Emma and spending the money to go see her he was treated like a leper - made fun of and shunned. I am curious as to why Emma would bestow a gaggle (how much is a gaggle anyway?) of hickeys on his neck and then change her mind and think he was someone she wanted nothing to do with. What happened there?
Bob: bros before hos (hoes?) man, don't ever regret that decision.

Maybe energy drinks could caused a lack of sleep, which some of you may know, can cause a person to hallucinate and act irrationally. I think that is a loser as a defense though.

I can't tell you the number of times I made out with someone at a party while in high school only to have them shun me later
It happens and it happens a lot with young people
It is part of life
A shame this time it was part of a death

ziggy wrote:I'm free tonight.

dangrsmind wrote:Energy drink consumption is correlated with risky behavior and drug use.

Energy Drinks, Race, and Problem Behaviors among College Students
Kathleen E. Miller, Ph.D.
Kathleen E. Miller, Research Institute on Addictions, University at Buffalo;
Correspondence may be directed to: Dr. Kathleen E. Miller, Research Institute on Addictions, University at Buffalo, 1021 Main Street, Buffalo, NY 14203. Phone: (716) 887-2588. Fax: (716) 887-2215.
The publisher's final edited version of this article is available at J Adolesc Health.

Abstract

Purpose
This study examined relationships between energy drink consumption and problem behaviors among adolescents and emerging adults. It was hypothesized that frequent consumption of energy drinks would be positively associated with substance abuse and other risky behaviors and that these relationships would be moderated by race.

Methods
Cross-sectional, self-report survey data were collected from 602 Western New York undergraduate students in the spring of 2006. Differences in problem behaviors by frequency of energy drink consumption were assessed with multivariate linear and logistic regressions, controlling for gender, race, age, parental education, and college grade point average. Follow-up regressions were conducted to test for a moderating effect of race.

Results
Frequency of energy drink consumption was positively associated with marijuana use, sexual risk-taking, fighting, seatbelt omission, and taking risks on a dare for the sample as a whole, and associated with smoking, drinking, alcohol problems, and illicit prescription drug use for white students but not for black students.

Conclusions
These findings suggest that energy drink consumption is closely associated with a problem behavior syndrome, particularly among whites. Frequent consumption of energy drinks may serve as a useful screening indicator to identify students at risk for substance use and/or other health-compromising behavior.

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Now THAT is interesting. Thank you for that. Maybe Sam's crime is just the tip of the iceberg from what may be found out about the effects.
I did laugh at one point though. In results. I was waitin for it to say

RESULTS
Frequency of energy drink consumption was positively associated with marijuana use, sexual risk-taking, fighting, seatbelt omission, and mass murder by maul.

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Crow wrote:

RESULTS
Frequency of energy drink consumption was positively associated with marijuana use, sexual risk-taking, fighting, seatbelt omission, and mass murder by maul.

I am addicted to those drinks...

ziggy wrote:Wish I knew what it was Crow that made her turn against him. Could be you're right...could be he got dark and violent; could be he made threats and although it creeped them out, they didn't take him seriously...or...it could be as simple as he had bad breath and was a little too dough boy. The solid answer to those questions died.

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dangrsmind wrote:Mississippi in the summer?

LOL yea you know I have no idea what its really like there for the extended summer. I went there after Katrina to help with the recovery as part of a team of builders and other skillfull handymen types and we did a lot of rebuilding at that time but it was closer to fall then summer at the time and the weather was actually nice, thats how I met the lawyer that wants me to come up in May ans help him with a pretty controversial murder case with a lot of racial undertones where we believe the client is completely innocent and wrongfully accused. But anyway, what should I expect in the summer there, humidity, hurricane weather etc lol. Heat doesnt bother me hell I live in Arizona remember?

Any idea how far the drive is from Mississipi, the Hattiesberg area, to Farmville, I dont see any maps online that show the driving distance between those two small towns, I am hoping its not too far and I can get a few trips to Farmvillege in during downtime.

Arizona heat is dry, which means when you sweat it cools you. Southern heat is very humid, which means when you sweat, you drip all over the place and stick to furniture. You will love August in Mississippi. Traveling to Virginia, where it will merely be hot and humid as opposed to hellishly hot and humid will seem like relief. It's about a 13 1/2 hour journey.
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Crow wrote:I was thinking about this again (geez) and you know how emma said that she was with a guy she didn't even know or couldn't stand (what was it??) Well maybe Sam was acting like a killer then. i mean not that they knew he was really a killer, but he may have been so weird, like in some psychotic break, that they clued in enough to say that at least. Then, usually nobody thinks, wow that guy might murder us tonight in our sleep. So it didn't go that far. But it would mean that Sam was homicidel or scary anyway earlier than when he got them.