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I DON'T smoke weed often at all.
+I don't mind drugs, I'm a fan of pills also. ^.^
Taken from Mels page on http://www.imgoth.com/users/59839
+I don't mind drugs, I'm a fan of pills also. ^.^
Taken from Mels page on http://www.imgoth.com/users/59839
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Another interesting thing I came across Raz has all the Apostle’s on her page… only one thing is missing and that’s Mel’s Apostle Photo.. We know she has one, why is it no longer on Raz page?? RagDoll is there.. Maybe Pixy could make things clear.. Things are just not adding up…
------->Link to UNHOLY APOSTLES
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...1542959&page=8
------->Link to UNHOLY APOSTLES
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...1542959&page=8
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Well lets find out what went down girl. I see Mel isnt even on the FLASHING GIF apostle thingy.
Did you see the comment by piXy in an IM convo she had with Mel where Mel says Raz was threatening to kick her off the apostles team because she wasnt doing enough promo, but then Mel says she started to do better and won a free CD for it. So I dont know why she isnt listed in this pic lineup.
Did you see the comment by piXy in an IM convo she had with Mel where Mel says Raz was threatening to kick her off the apostles team because she wasnt doing enough promo, but then Mel says she started to do better and won a free CD for it. So I dont know why she isnt listed in this pic lineup.
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I am sure the funeral was the parents decision and they probably didnt approve of or take her satanism declarations seriously.
I am athiest/buddhist and I dont really care much what sort of funeral I have, I have it on paper that anything useable should go to science and the rest cremated and spread near my home in Sedona, Arizona.
If you were Christian and your teenage child was dabbling in Satanism and declared him or herself to be a practicing Satanist and they died would you honor that or have a Christian funeral for them?
I am not sure what I would do, if I thought they were serious about it and well informed I would probably honor that for them but I am not a Christian and I dont see many Christians who would. They would certainly think they were sending their own child to hell.
Of course we do not know what Mel's parents beliefs are.
Last edited by PAXIMUS; 11-09-2009 at 04:15 PM.
I am athiest/buddhist and I dont really care much what sort of funeral I have, I have it on paper that anything useable should go to science and the rest cremated and spread near my home in Sedona, Arizona.
If you were Christian and your teenage child was dabbling in Satanism and declared him or herself to be a practicing Satanist and they died would you honor that or have a Christian funeral for them?
I am not sure what I would do, if I thought they were serious about it and well informed I would probably honor that for them but I am not a Christian and I dont see many Christians who would. They would certainly think they were sending their own child to hell.
Of course we do not know what Mel's parents beliefs are.
Last edited by PAXIMUS; 11-09-2009 at 04:15 PM.
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Originally Posted by NativeGirl  I wonder if Emma was Bi?? I seen that Mel was from her profile.. HMMM... |
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Here is Mel's brother's my space page. http://www.myspace.com/wellzboyz
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Sounds good to me. And maybe the most information filled person (still living) about the case would be Melanie's mother:
1. When was the last time she spoke with Melanie? How'd she sound?
2. When was the last time she spoke with Debra Kelly?
3. How many times did she speak with Sam over those days? How'd he sound? What did he say?
4. Why didn't her husband even bother to knock on the Farmville house door or ring the doorbell?
5. How much information did she relay to Pastor Mark when she called to send him to the Farmville house? Did she convey any sense of concern about the safety of her daughter in that house and thus Pastor Mark's safety in going there?
6. How many times did she call the Farmville PD? When was the 1st call to them?
Melanie's mother had a lot of phone contact with the house/Sam/with the Farmville PD and with Pastor Mark. And, from the reports in the press, she seemed to want to send the calvary in to roust Sam from the house and find out what was going on.
1. When was the last time she spoke with Melanie? How'd she sound?
2. When was the last time she spoke with Debra Kelly?
3. How many times did she speak with Sam over those days? How'd he sound? What did he say?
4. Why didn't her husband even bother to knock on the Farmville house door or ring the doorbell?
5. How much information did she relay to Pastor Mark when she called to send him to the Farmville house? Did she convey any sense of concern about the safety of her daughter in that house and thus Pastor Mark's safety in going there?
6. How many times did she call the Farmville PD? When was the 1st call to them?
Melanie's mother had a lot of phone contact with the house/Sam/with the Farmville PD and with Pastor Mark. And, from the reports in the press, she seemed to want to send the calvary in to roust Sam from the house and find out what was going on.
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Hey, ya know... I've never really gotten this.... Like, what DID Mel mean by calling herself "Free Abortions"? How does that fit into the whole world view or epistemology or metaphysics of it or whatever???
Hey, ya know... I've never really gotten this.... Like, what DID Mel mean by calling herself "Free Abortions"? How does that fit into the whole world view or epistemology or metaphysics of it or whatever???
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An abortion is a murder of a true innocent. It is also something that would be very shocking or disturbing to a Christian person. See http://www.forerunner.com/champion/X..._Innocenc.html
The name was likely chosen to be shocking in this way. However...
Recall also that Raz and SickTanick have aborted fetus images on the wall in their living room. And consider also that Razakel's MySpace page depicts a demoness ripping a fetus from her own womb (a "free" abortion) as well as a "dead" ragdoll.
The name was likely chosen to be shocking in this way. However...
Recall also that Raz and SickTanick have aborted fetus images on the wall in their living room. And consider also that Razakel's MySpace page depicts a demoness ripping a fetus from her own womb (a "free" abortion) as well as a "dead" ragdoll.
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So... do Raz and Sick mean anything more by it, or is it just to be shocking?
I've got an idea forming in my head, more toward where dnrslucky is heading....
Like, that abortions should be free, as in widely available... but I can't get anywhere with it after that.
Ideas?
It's not going to be another one of these totally schitzo things where they go, oh, but we didn't mean really abort our own babies. ("Sam, what were you ****ing thinking?")
PiXy!! -- Yoo-hoo, I need you to weigh in here. What is "Free Abortions" all about? It has to be something....
I've got an idea forming in my head, more toward where dnrslucky is heading....
Like, that abortions should be free, as in widely available... but I can't get anywhere with it after that.
Ideas?
It's not going to be another one of these totally schitzo things where they go, oh, but we didn't mean really abort our own babies. ("Sam, what were you ****ing thinking?")
PiXy!! -- Yoo-hoo, I need you to weigh in here. What is "Free Abortions" all about? It has to be something....
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I'd be interested to hear what PiXy has to say here too. Of course sometimes these things mean more than they appear to at first glance. For example, Sam choosing the handle LilDemonDog.
I think from the perspective of a Satanist, a lot of people are born to suffer or are destined to be "sheep". These people might be better off never being born from this perspective, hence giving away "free abortions" would be viewed as a gift. Some might recall the Nazi's interest in eugenics, improvement of the species genetic mix, but here consider the Satanist's view that they (Satanists) are the next evolution of the human race. SickTanick explicitly states this in his music as one example.
In an interview in 1995 [Marilyn] Manson was asked the following: "...what are your thoughts on abortion?", to which he replied: "I think the problem that always arises with issues like abortion, between Pro-Choice and Pro-Life, nobody really wants to deal with the problem, and that's birth control. I think if more people concentrated on dealing with that - making birth control more of an issue - then you wouldn't have to deal with the idea of abortion. I don't think stupid people should breed, so in that sense, I'm pro-abortion." (An Interview with Marilyn Manson at the Capitol Ballroom, Washington, D.C., November 9, 1995). This view of Manson, that "stupid people" should not breed, and that some should be aborted, is certainly influenced by the Satanic philosophies of Anton Lavey. For example, Lavey does not think that all humans are equal either. He stated:
"I consider [helping the needy] a most ignoble endeavour...It would be most merciful to help them of the life they seem to hate so much. People should be happy I‘m not a humanitarian - or I‘d probably be the most diabolical mass murderer the world has ever known" (Barton, The Secret Life of a Satanist, p. 211. As quoted by Bob & Gretchen Passantino, Satanism, p. 74).
http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/manson.htm
"Satanists are superior. The masses exist to serve. The life of one Satanist is worth the lives of a hundred thousand men."
--The Demonic Bible
I think from the perspective of a Satanist, a lot of people are born to suffer or are destined to be "sheep". These people might be better off never being born from this perspective, hence giving away "free abortions" would be viewed as a gift. Some might recall the Nazi's interest in eugenics, improvement of the species genetic mix, but here consider the Satanist's view that they (Satanists) are the next evolution of the human race. SickTanick explicitly states this in his music as one example.
In an interview in 1995 [Marilyn] Manson was asked the following: "...what are your thoughts on abortion?", to which he replied: "I think the problem that always arises with issues like abortion, between Pro-Choice and Pro-Life, nobody really wants to deal with the problem, and that's birth control. I think if more people concentrated on dealing with that - making birth control more of an issue - then you wouldn't have to deal with the idea of abortion. I don't think stupid people should breed, so in that sense, I'm pro-abortion." (An Interview with Marilyn Manson at the Capitol Ballroom, Washington, D.C., November 9, 1995). This view of Manson, that "stupid people" should not breed, and that some should be aborted, is certainly influenced by the Satanic philosophies of Anton Lavey. For example, Lavey does not think that all humans are equal either. He stated:
"I consider [helping the needy] a most ignoble endeavour...It would be most merciful to help them of the life they seem to hate so much. People should be happy I‘m not a humanitarian - or I‘d probably be the most diabolical mass murderer the world has ever known" (Barton, The Secret Life of a Satanist, p. 211. As quoted by Bob & Gretchen Passantino, Satanism, p. 74).
http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/manson.htm
"Satanists are superior. The masses exist to serve. The life of one Satanist is worth the lives of a hundred thousand men."
--The Demonic Bible
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There is actually a whole subculture of people that believe abortion clinics are run by or widely infiltrated by Satanists, and this makes certain sense if you consider the illegality of human sacrifice.
It is illegal to kill people as part of a religious practice. However there are a few places in our society were killing is legal and so it would make sense for someone looking to engage in these ritual practices to work in one of them. Another such location BTW would be an execution chamber at a prison. Also the military.
FWIW.
It is illegal to kill people as part of a religious practice. However there are a few places in our society were killing is legal and so it would make sense for someone looking to engage in these ritual practices to work in one of them. Another such location BTW would be an execution chamber at a prison. Also the military.
FWIW.
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FreeAbortions name.... well
just what it says
lol
dont look too deep into it
just what it says
lol
dont look too deep into it
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So...
Even if Melanie didn't mean anything more by choosing this name than an attempt to shock her parents or whomever that doesn't mean that's all it meant in the wider context.
From SickTanick's Doctrines Part 1 "Deciples Rise":
"upon the mountain i stand, as i offer my hand, unto deciples
of the watch willing to make the final stand against the holy one
the nazerine the unborn child the ****in bastard of a thousand
priests the holiest of pedophiles, the prophecys have come
to pass in this revalation i am the prophet leading children cross
the nation in search of the newborn jesus the advasary holy
lie hes the living dead fetus and as the stars allign the blasphemer
is born and most innocent children shall be ripped and torn
and from the womb of a whore shall he be reborn and from
that womb shall his life no longer be mourned cause after one
final breathe the world will burn with eternal flame and
all deciples will be put into the book of dead names
so believe the word deciples cause the prophecy is here
inside the doctrines shall the nazerine dissapear
so go out dear wolves amoungst the sheep and kill thier newborn
sons until you slay the nazerine and at the left hand you will stand
before the first power and at the hour of arrival shall you all cower
your either with us or against us there is no in between
there is no evil in this world its just what you perceieve
so slay the nazerine now or live in peace my deciples
make a path for arrival of the beast"
Even if Melanie didn't mean anything more by choosing this name than an attempt to shock her parents or whomever that doesn't mean that's all it meant in the wider context.
From SickTanick's Doctrines Part 1 "Deciples Rise":
"upon the mountain i stand, as i offer my hand, unto deciples
of the watch willing to make the final stand against the holy one
the nazerine the unborn child the ****in bastard of a thousand
priests the holiest of pedophiles, the prophecys have come
to pass in this revalation i am the prophet leading children cross
the nation in search of the newborn jesus the advasary holy
lie hes the living dead fetus and as the stars allign the blasphemer
is born and most innocent children shall be ripped and torn
and from the womb of a whore shall he be reborn and from
that womb shall his life no longer be mourned cause after one
final breathe the world will burn with eternal flame and
all deciples will be put into the book of dead names
so believe the word deciples cause the prophecy is here
inside the doctrines shall the nazerine dissapear
so go out dear wolves amoungst the sheep and kill thier newborn
sons until you slay the nazerine and at the left hand you will stand
before the first power and at the hour of arrival shall you all cower
your either with us or against us there is no in between
there is no evil in this world its just what you perceieve
so slay the nazerine now or live in peace my deciples
make a path for arrival of the beast"
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"They don't call me Ms. Abortions for nothin, so watch out *****es, your unborn babies is what I'm wantin."
+I'm Melanie.
AKA "That Free Abortions chick."
SKR FOR LIFE
Forever wicked I kick it.
+I am the biggest Green Day fanatic you'll ever meet.
+I WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY MESSAGES THAT TELL ME IM HOT CUTE OR SEXY, OR SAY WHATS UP. Don't waste your time!
+My beliefs are that of LaVeyan Satanism.
+I'm NOT a juggalette. To be honest I can't stand ICP.
+If you're a lame juggalo that I DON'T know, and no intentions of talking to me, DON'T add me. I WILL deny you.
+My heart belongs to a U.S. Marine.
+I'm 18
+I despise the rain and depressing things.
+I have alot of pajamas.
+I have very high self esteem.
+I carry alot of hate on my shoulders, many things annoy me, but I never show it.
+I smoke cigarettes and consume alcohol.
+McDonalds, cigarettes, and coffee keep me alive.
+I like to write, read, draw and learn things.
+One word: METAL.
+I love my parents more than anything.
+I have an obsession with paper.
+I'm a southern girl, from Louisville, Kentucky.
+I have a southern accent. wee.
+I still listen to Backstreet Boys.
+My favorite color is lavender.
+I have the biggest soft spot for all animals. I don't kill spiders or bugs.
+Almost all of my friends are guys.
+I hate ugly people.
From Melanie Wells' Vampire Freaks page. On this page she also lists "Nazism" as one of her interests.
+I'm Melanie.
AKA "That Free Abortions chick."
SKR FOR LIFE
Forever wicked I kick it.
+I am the biggest Green Day fanatic you'll ever meet.
+I WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY MESSAGES THAT TELL ME IM HOT CUTE OR SEXY, OR SAY WHATS UP. Don't waste your time!
+My beliefs are that of LaVeyan Satanism.
+I'm NOT a juggalette. To be honest I can't stand ICP.
+If you're a lame juggalo that I DON'T know, and no intentions of talking to me, DON'T add me. I WILL deny you.
+My heart belongs to a U.S. Marine.
+I'm 18
+I despise the rain and depressing things.
+I have alot of pajamas.
+I have very high self esteem.
+I carry alot of hate on my shoulders, many things annoy me, but I never show it.
+I smoke cigarettes and consume alcohol.
+McDonalds, cigarettes, and coffee keep me alive.
+I like to write, read, draw and learn things.
+One word: METAL.
+I love my parents more than anything.
+I have an obsession with paper.
+I'm a southern girl, from Louisville, Kentucky.
+I have a southern accent. wee.
+I still listen to Backstreet Boys.
+My favorite color is lavender.
+I have the biggest soft spot for all animals. I don't kill spiders or bugs.
+Almost all of my friends are guys.
+I hate ugly people.
From Melanie Wells' Vampire Freaks page. On this page she also lists "Nazism" as one of her interests.
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A few words about stabwound_orgasm
Melanie Wells MySpace page had the URL http://www.myspace.com/stabwound_orgasm
Stabwound Orgasm is the name of an album by 90s death metal band Avulsed and believe Melanie was referring to them here.
The album contains a song of the same title.
More here: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=982 including links to the lyrics and album cover images.
WARNING: these are highly disturbing lyrics and images combining sex and death, don't look if you don't want to know about this. It is called "death metal" for a reason.
Melanie Wells MySpace page had the URL http://www.myspace.com/stabwound_orgasm
Stabwound Orgasm is the name of an album by 90s death metal band Avulsed and believe Melanie was referring to them here.
The album contains a song of the same title.
More here: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=982 including links to the lyrics and album cover images.
WARNING: these are highly disturbing lyrics and images combining sex and death, don't look if you don't want to know about this. It is called "death metal" for a reason.
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Wow, i missed that note where McCroskey made voice mail messages himself on the Wells' mother's phone.... would this be a point as to help or hurt an insanity plea?
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Grafitti Ms. Free Abortions
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