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    Judge Alex Kozinski: The Fourth Amendment is Gone. "Welcome to the fish bowl."

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    Post by Percy Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:58 pm

    Judge Alex Kozinski: The Fourth Amendment is Gone. "Welcome to the fish bowl."
    February 23, 2010


    Last week the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals denied an en banc ("on a bench" meaning an entire panel of judges will hear a case) rehearing of the case United States v. Lemus, which dealt with a warrantless police search of a suspect’s home after he was arrested outside of it. As a result of the 9th Circuit’s denial, the search will stand, which has left Chief Judge Alex Kozinski none too happy. In dissent, Kozinksi basically accused his colleagues of abandoning the Fourth Amendment:



    This is an extraordinary case: Our court approves, without blinking, a police sweep of a person’s home without a warrant, without probable cause, without reasonable suspicion and without exigency—in other words, with nothing at all to support the entry except the curiosity police always have about what they might find if they go rummaging around a suspect’s home. Once inside, the police managed to turn up a gun “in plain view”—stuck between two cushions of the living room couch—and we reward them by upholding the search.

    Did I mention that this was an entry into somebody’s home, the place where the protections of the Fourth Amendment are supposedly at their zenith?...

    The opinion misapplies Supreme Court precedent, conflicts with our own case law and is contrary to the great weight of authority in the other circuits. It is also the only case I know of, in any jurisdiction covered by the Fourth Amendment, where invasion of the home has been approved based on no showing whatsoever. Nada. Gar nichts. Rien du tout. Bupkes.

    Whatever may have been left of the Fourth Amendment after [United States v. Black] is now gone. The evisceration of this crucial constitutional protector of the sanctity and privacy of what Americans consider their castles is pretty much complete. Welcome to the fish bowl.
    Read the whole thing here (.pdf). In our July 2006 issue, Shikha Dalmia interviewed Judge Kozinski about free speech, privacy, libertarianism, and more.

    http://reason.com/blog/2010/02/23/ju...ski-the-fourth
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    Post by ziggy Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:27 am

    Gosh that Ninth Circuit is just so unpredictable. I am the proscutorial type, and for the most part I side with LE, but I've also been harrassed by cops and I've seen the egotistical and reckless behavior they can exhibit.

    There was no reason for them to not simply get a warrant. I kind of have to agree with this dissent. Even though I think that most people who get tried and convicted are guilty, this sets a horrible precedent. After this, what's the point of a warrant at all? These cops were lazy. Once it was confirmed they were in no danger, the appropriate thing to do was leave and get a warrant and come back if it was that fricking important to search the premisis.
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    Post by Percy Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:00 pm

    ziggy wrote:Gosh that Ninth Circuit is just so unpredictable. I am the proscutorial type, and for the most part I side with LE, but I've also been harrassed by cops and I've seen the egotistical and reckless behavior they can exhibit.

    There was no reason for them to not simply get a warrant. I kind of have to agree with this dissent. Even though I think that most people who get tried and convicted are guilty, this sets a horrible precedent. After this, what's the point of a warrant at all? These cops were lazy. Once it was confirmed they were in no danger, the appropriate thing to do was leave and get a warrant and come back if it was that fricking important to search the premisis.

    Yes I can see where SOMETIMES this may aid LE in their jobs BUT it is the PRECEDENT that concerns me most.
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    Post by Percy Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:04 pm

    Paximus wrote:
    ziggy wrote:Gosh that Ninth Circuit is just so unpredictable. I am the proscutorial type, and for the most part I side with LE, but I've also been harrassed by cops and I've seen the egotistical and reckless behavior they can exhibit.

    There was no reason for them to not simply get a warrant. I kind of have to agree with this dissent. Even though I think that most people who get tried and convicted are guilty, this sets a horrible precedent. After this, what's the point of a warrant at all? These cops were lazy. Once it was confirmed they were in no danger, the appropriate thing to do was leave and get a warrant and come back if it was that fricking important to search the premisis.

    Yes I can see where SOMETIMES (and only sometimes and VERY VERY RARELY) this may aid LE in their jobs BUT it is the PRECEDENT that concerns me most.

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