Joran Van Der Sloot

Police: Former Natalee Holloway Suspect Sought in Murder in Peru





Published June 02, 2010

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Joran van der Sloot, pictured as a 17-year-old Dutch teen, became the prime suspect in Natalee Holloway's disappearance.




LIMA, Peru -- A young Dutchman previously arrested in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway is the prime suspect in a weekend murder of a Peruvian woman, police said Wednesday.

Joran van der Sloot is being sought in the Sunday killing of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in a Lima hotel, Criminal police chief Gen. Cesar Guardia told a news conference. He said the suspect fled the country the next day by land to Chile.

The Dutch government said Interpol has issued an international arrest warrant for Van der Sloot.
Guardia said the 22-year-old Dutchman, who was in the country for a poker tournament, appears with the young woman in a video taken at a Lima casino early Sunday.

The victim's father, Ricardo Flores, told reporters she was killed about 8 a.m. in a hotel room in the upscale Miraflores neighborhood that was splattered with blood, indicating a struggle.

The killing occurred exactly five years after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Holloway in Aruba, a Dutch Caribbean island.




File photo of Stephany Flores Ramirez.





It's been five years since 18-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared while on a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Now, Joran van der Sloot, the last known person seen alive with the young Alabama woman, has confessed to hiding her body in an island marsh, according to a Dutch newspaper.




Van der Sloot left Peru on Monday, Guardia said, according to immigration registry. He had been staying at the hotel since May 14 and checked out on Sunday four hours after he arrived there with the victim, the police general added.

"We have an interview with a worker at the hotel who says she saw this foreigner with the victim enter his room," said Guardia.

Interpol has issued an international arrest warrant for Van der Sloot, Dutch Foreign Ministry spokesman Bengt van Loosdrecht told The Associated Press in The Netherlands.

He cited as his sources Peruvian police and the Dutch Embassy in Lima. The embassy's head of consular affairs, Angela Lowe, told the AP she could not comment on the case.

An attorney for Van der Sloot in New York City, Joe Tacopina, said he did not know his client's whereabouts and has not been in touch with him since the Peru allegations emerged.
Tacopina cautioned against a rush to judgment.

"Joran van der Sloot has been falsely accused of murder once before. The fact is he wears a bull's-eye on his back now and he is a quote-unquote usual suspect when it comes to allegations of foul play," Tacopina said.

Van der Sloot was twice arrested but later released for lack of evidence in the 2005 disappearance of Holloway, who was on a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island

No trace of her has been found and van der Sloot remains the main suspect in the case, said Ann Angela, spokeswoman for the Aruba prosecutor's office.

"What's happening now is incredible," she said. "At this moment we don't have anything to do with it, but we are following the case with great interest and if Peruvian authorities would need us, we are here."

Van der Sloot's late father was a prominent judge in Aruba.

The mystery of Holloway's disappearance has garnered wide attention on television and in newspapers in Europe and the United States.

Two years ago, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of Van der Sloot saying he was with Holloway when she collapsed on a beach, drunk.

He said believed she was dead and asked a friend to dump her body in the sea.
Judges subsequently refused to arrest van der Sloot on the basis of the tape.

A spokeswoman for Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty of Mountain Brook, Alabama, told the AP the family was aware of the development in Peru but would have no comment.

Chile police detain Dutchman in Peru killing 5 years after Holloway slaying in Aruba





Published June 03, 2010

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June 2: Police show a photo of Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot at a news conference in Lima.




LIMA, Peru -- A Dutch man long suspected in the disappearance of an Alabama teen in Aruba was arrested Thursday in the murder of a young woman in Peru.

Stephany Flores, 21, was killed in a Lima hotel on Sunday, five years to the day after Holloway disappeared.

The suspect, Joran van der Sloot, was escorted by three police officers as he was taken from a dark vehicle into a police office in downtown Santiago, Chile. He made no comment as he entered, walking calmly and without handcuffs as journalists shouted his name. It was not immediately clear where he was picked up.

In Lima, police Gen. Cesar Guardia said the slain woman was found Wednesday in a room at a hotel where van der Sloot had been staying and that she had been seen with the suspect early Sunday, when she was killed.

The killing happened exactly five years after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Holloway during a high school trip in Aruba, a Dutch Caribbean island where van der Sloot's late father was a prominent judge.



Prosecutors said van der Sloot is still their main suspect in the case even though he was never charged.

Guardia said the 22-year-old Dutchman was in Peru for a poker tournament and appears with the dead woman in a video taken at a Lima casino early Sunday. The two were later seen entering the hotel by one of its employees about 5 a.m.

Two years ago, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of van der Sloot saying he was with Holloway when she collapsed on a beach from being drunk. He said he believed she was dead and asked a friend to dump her body in the sea.

Judges subsequently refused to arrest van der Sloot on the basis of the tape.

A spokeswoman for Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty of Mountain Brook, Alabama, told the AP the family was aware of the development in Peru but would have no comment.

I was certain this would generate more conversation.
I've been wrong before.
I thought it was likely that he killed Natalie Holloway in 05 but conceded that it was probably an accident. Now I must wonder.

Scott wrote:I was certain this would generate more conversation.
I've been wrong before.
I thought it was likely that he killed Natalie Holloway in 05 but conceded that it was probably an accident. Now I must wonder.

Yeah, I thought he had something to do with Holloway's death but not an intentional murder. I thought maybe some type of overdose from either drugs or alcohol and he panicked and did something with her body. This current one doesn't sound like an accident at all though. How weird that it was almost five years to the day.

I suspected something similar with Natalie Holloway. Perhaps he tried to slip her a roofie cocktail, she took too much, or had some reaction and it was an accident. He disposed of her body and lucked out that they got it far enough off shore that it did not come back. Dad helped with the cover up either that night or later on by exerting his influence in the small community and making sure the police did not dig too deeply. Without a body there was no case and....it all kind of went away.
I hope this gets more coverage. I'd like to know what happened. I think the dynamic is diffenent this time. He is the outsider and killed a local rather than a local killing an outsider. If Joren had gotten to Argentina or back to Holland he could have argued against extradition though I am not sure it would have worked. IMO it was about the only chance he had though if they facts of the case are as they were presented on the news last night. Once his feet hit Peru again I predict he never leaves.
As a side note, O'Reiley last night speculated that they will hang him. I am not sure if he was using the term figuratively or not but he is incorrect. Peru has no death penalty.

Van der Sloot Charged in U.S. with Extortion

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The United States Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama charged Joran Van der Sloot Thursday afternoon with extortion and wire fraud, saying the Dutchman promised information on Natalee Holloway's whereabouts in exchange for $250,000, reports CBS News affiliate WHNT in Huntsville, Ala.

Read the criminal complaint here.

Van der Sloot, who has been the main suspect in the Holloway disappearance in Aruba five years ago, was arrested Thursday in the murder of a young woman in Peru. Stephany Flores, 21, was killed in a Lima hotel Sunday.

PICTURES: Stephany Flores

Witnesses saw van der Sloot and Flores together in a casino over the weekend and again, entering the hotel room together around 5 a.m. Sunday, reports CBS News correspondent Elaine Quijano.

PICTURES: Joran van der Sloot


Natalee Holloway's father told WHNT it was big relief that Van der Sloot was caught.

"There's no doubt van der Sloot's a bad kid," said Dave Holloway. "He screwed up and he needs to be locked

Not sure the extortion charge matters all that much at this point.

Well well, the little sociopath came out to play again. I never considered it was an accident with Natalie; this guy is way too psycho and part of that is thinking nothing is ever his fault and being quite the liar.

Hopefully they have some good evidence in Peru and he will be in a very nasty prison for the rest of his life. I only wish his father had not died before knowing what he had contributed to. He is a very bad boy. He has been able to get away with just about everything. Parents who cover for their children like that are very easy to dislike strongly!

I wonder if the K brothers will now speak about what they know.

ziggy wrote:Well well, the little sociopath came out to play again. I never considered it was an accident with Natalie; this guy is way too psycho and part of that is thinking nothing is ever his fault and being quite the liar.

Hopefully they have some good evidence in Peru and he will be in a very nasty prison for the rest of his life. I only wish his father had not died before knowing what he had contributed to. He is a very bad boy. He has been able to get away with just about everything. Parents who cover for their children like that are very easy to dislike strongly!

I wonder if the K brothers will now speak about what they know.

When did his father die?

I wish the "extortion" had been played out and someone had delivered the money to see if he could actually provide information about the location of Natalie's remains.

I wonder if these girls refused his advances, and he killed them in anger.

Paulus dropped dead playing tennis I think several months ago. I wish the extortion would have revealed Natalie as well. The problem is that he lies so much, he could just tell another lie and receive money. Maybe they can torture it out of him in Peru. I kind of think that they want to!

yeah ,I think it was just a matter of time before Joran slipped again.I'm afraid there's girls missing in Asia who's disappearance were not investigated.It would not surprise me one bit.I believe he has more victims.

claudicici wrote:yeah ,I think it was just a matter of time before Joran slipped again.I'm afraid there's girls missing in Asia who's disappearance were not investigated.It would not surprise me one bit.I believe he has more victims.

One reporter said something suggesting that the young woman in Peru could be the "second victim". I thought second that anyone knows about. Joran has traveled all over. There could be several victims.

ziggy wrote:Paulus dropped dead playing tennis I think several months ago. I wish the extortion would have revealed Natalie as well. The problem is that he lies so much, he could just tell another lie and receive money. Maybe they can torture it out of him in Peru. I kind of think that they want to!

He has told so many different stories I am not certain that even he knows what is true anymore. I'm not sure authorities will ever get a meaningful interview from him.

Natalee Holloway Murder Suspect Flown To Peru To Face Murder Charges The Dutch man long suspected in the death of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway was flown Friday from Chile to Peru to face charges in the death of a woman there. Raw Video: Joran Van Der Sloot on Plane to Peru

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LIMA, Peru (June 4, 2010)—Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot was flown Friday from Chile to Peru, where authorities are likely to charge him with the murder of a 21-year-old woman from the capital of Lima.
Chilean police say van der Sloot has proclaimed his innocence in the murder of Stephany Flores Sunday in a Lima hotel room.
The 22-year-old van der Sloot also remains the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalie Holloway who disappeared in 2005 while on a high school trip to the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba.
Flores was killed five years to the day after Holloway disappeared.
Van der Sloot was handcuffed and placed aboard a police Cessna 310 in the Chilean capital of Santiago on Friday morning.
Chilean police captured van der Sloot on Thursday as he was headed to the country's Pacific coast.
Meanwhile, Holloway’s uncle, Paul Reynolds, said Friday he hopes authorities in Aruba reopen his niece’s case.
Speaking to NBC's "Today" show Friday, Reynolds said the family hopes to see der Sloot put behind bars.
The same day he was arrested, van der Sloot was charged in Alabama with trying to extort $250,000 in return for giving the location of Holloway's body.
Reynolds called the alleged extortion attempt "a despicable act."
Holloway was the cousin of former Baylor Lady Bear standout Rachel Allison

'Van der Sloot' Google search stuns slain woman's brother

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Stephany Flores Ramirez, who loved to play poker, allegedly met Joran van der Sloot while playing cards.


STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Stephany Flores Ramirez's father panicked when she didn't come home from poker tournament
  
• Hotel workers told family that young woman was with man who "looked like Brad Pitt"
  
• Videotape shows Flores entering hotel room with Joran van der Sloot
  
• Flores was a university student and an avid poker player, her brother says
  

(CNN) -- It was unlike Stephany Flores Ramirez not to come home on time. An avid poker player, the Peruvian 21-year-old lived with her father and knew he was expecting her after a night at a Texas Hold 'em tournament on May 30 in Lima.
"My father called me and said Stephany didn't come home, help me," Stephany's older brother Enrique Flores told CNN on Sunday. "So I went to the house and we started calling all the numbers of my sister's friends that I had and we called the police."
Eventually, authorities found surveillance video of the young woman at the hotel where the tournament was held. They found footage of Joran van der Sloot sitting next to Stephany, he said.
"At first, it was a relief because I saw her and that gave me hope," Enrique Flores said. "The people at the hotel told us, 'Yeah, she was with this guy. He seemed nice. He looked like Brad Pitt.'"
Van der Sloot is widely known as a suspect in the high-profile 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba. The Dutch 22-year-old has repeatedly denied involvement in that case. He has twice been arrested and released but has not been charged.
Flores' battered body was found last week in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot. Hotel videotape clearly shows the two entering a room together May 30 at 5:16 a.m. local time. Three hours and 20 minutes later, he left the hotel by himself carrying a backpack, telling the hotel staff not to bother "his girl," police said.

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The Flores family is well known in Peru. Patriarch Ricardo Flores is a politically connected former race car driver. The four Flores sons, including Enrique Flores, run a successful event-planning business.
After police showed Enrique and his father the surveillance tape, they again began trying to find out more from people at the hotel, and obtained information about the man on the tape.
"They gave us his social security number and his name," the brother told CNN. "We came back home and searched his name on the Internet. I cannot tell you the shock we felt."
"My wife typed 'Joran van der Sloot' into Google and started screaming for me to see," Enrique Flores told CNN on Sunday. "I couldn't believe it. How could it be that guy?"
"All I have been doing is reading about Natalee Holloway and what her family has gone through," Flores said.
Stephany Flores was a trusting young woman, her family said.
"My sister is very friendly ... always smiling, always nice to everyone," said Enrique Flores. "I think about how she felt with him, that she probably did not think ... and it is ... so hard to think about that."
"My sister was the only girl in our house, the queen of our family," he continued. "What she wanted, she got. She loved to play soccer" and would organize matches with her friends in the family's backyard.
She was in her third year studying business administration at University of Lima, and ran the merchandising arm of the family entertainment and event-promotion business, Enrique Flores said.
"She had a lot of friends," he said. "A lot of people are crying."
About an hour after Enrique Flores found out who the man on the videotape was, police called to say they had found his sister's body. Investigators believe a tennis racquet found in the room was used in the killing, said Carlos Gonzalo, a spokesman for Peru's Interior Ministry.
When authorities knew who they were looking for, they found van der Sloot traveling alone in a taxi in Chile. Authorities said he had bloody clothes with him. He was taken into custody and transported to Peru where he remains jailed.
A Peruvian judge extended for another week the investigation into van der Sloot and he will remain jailed in Lima, Gonzalo said.
On Saturday, wearing a bulletproof vest, van der Sloot was paraded before reporters in Peru. He is the sole suspect in Flores' slaying, but he has not been formally charged, said Carlos Neyra, an official with the Peruvian National Police criminal investigation division.
Van der Sloot has a lawyer, officials said Sunday. The Netherlands Embassy says it is working with Peruvian authorities, Dutch officials have said the country will not pay for a defense attorney.
In Alabama on Thursday, the FBI announced van der Sloot is being charged in the United States for allegedly trying to extort $250,000 from someone related to the Holloway case. Van der Sloot allegedly promised to disclose the location of Holloway's body.
In the hours after his sister's wake, Enrique Flores is gripped with grief, sadness and determination. He cannot stand to talk for long about his sister until his voice cracks and he asks if the interview can please end. One sentence, though, before it does.

"We just want justice," he said.

Joran looked kind of smug in the Jun 03 article. Not so much anymore.
I guess jail is a differnet experience when dad cannot help him out.
The biggest tradgedy is that Stephany Flores is dead today because Aruba botched the first case in 05. I wonder how the court there feels about that now. .

Wow - he confessed. Apparently she used his computer without permission and looked him up and found out about the Natalie story...so he broke her neck. Nice.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/08/report-van-der-sloot-confesses-peru-murder/

Amazing. See what the police can accomplish in a week without dad involved.

http://hamptonroads.tv/hrtv.php?id=14888672
Some video of Joran and Stephany from hotel cameras.

FBI gave $25,000 to van der Sloot in attempted sting, official says


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STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Source confirmed FBI gave initial payment to Van der Sloot of $10,000
  
• The FBI wired $15,000 to van der Sloot, the source told CNN
  
• U.S. authorities last week announced arrest warrant for van der Sloot
  
• Interpol: Information van der Sloot gave in exchange for the money was false
  

Peruvian officials say Joran van der Sloot has confessed to the slaying of Stephany Flores Ramirez. What will this development mean for the Natalee Holloway case? Watch "Nancy Grace," at 8 p.m. ET Wednesday on HLN.
(CNN) -- The FBI paid Joran van der Sloot $25,000 in an undercover investigation of a plot to extort money from Natalee Holloway's mother, a federal law enforcement official told CNN Wednesday.
The FBI and U.S. Attorneys Office in Alabama arranged for a meeting where an undercover agent paid van der Sloot $10,000 in cash and another $15,000 in a wire transfer for information van der Sloot allegedly promised would lead to Holloway's body in Aruba, a source familiar with the case said. The meeting took place in May, according to the U.S. Attorneys Office in Alabama.
Interpol documents show that the $15,000 was transferred to a personal bank account in the Netherlands.
It's unclear if that money funded van der Sloot's trip to Colombia and into Peru where authorities said he confessed this week to killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez.
Members of Flores' family told CNN they knew days ago that the FBI had paid van der Sloot.
"We really don't have anything to say about it or what could have happened if we knew this information," said brother Enrique Flores, speaking by phone from Peru.
"It won't make any change today. Her mom is praying every day. We are not having contact with a lot of people. We want to be left alone."
Van der Sloot, a Dutch citizen, was twice arrested in connection with the 2005 disappearance of Holloway but was released for lack of evidence.
The information van der Sloot provided to the FBI was not true, according to an Interpol document obtained by CNN Wednesday.
This week Alabama authorities filed extortion and wire fraud charges against van der Sloot.
On or about March 29, van der Sloot contacted a representative of Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, the Intepol document states.
That came as a shock to Natalee Holloway's father Dave Holloway.

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CNN spoke with his attorney Vinda de Sousa in Aruba Wednesday.
"He didn't know about it ... and he just didn't have very much to say about it because he was not involved," the attorney said.
In exchange for payment, van der Sloot showed a person described in Interpol documents as Beth Holloway's representative, a house in Aruba where supposedly Holloway's remains were located.
When records showed that the house wasn't even built at the time of her disappearance, van der Sloot admitted he lied, Interpol said.
Aruban authorities were involved in the FBI's undercover investigation, Aruban government spokesman Taco Stein said.

"We did some technical work" and "worked together," Stein said.

Last paragraph is the most telling. Even when they paid him.... he lied.

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What is Joran van der Sloot doing on newly-released surveillance video?


This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," June 11, 2010. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Joran van der Sloot officially charged with first-degree murder. A judge in Peru says Van der Sloot acted with ferocity and great cruelty.

This is a video of Van der Sloot on his journey to prison. You can see police moving Van der Sloot from the prosecutor's office to a holding cell.

Now this is a video of Castro-Castro prison in Peru. Van der Sloot will reportedly wait for his trial in this Peruvian prison. So what is it like inside the prison?

"On the Record" has obtained this video showing the inside of another Peruvian prison similar to the one Joran will call home. What will life be like though for Joran behind bars.

Joining us in Peru is GRN correspondent, Dan Collyns. Dan, since we are on Skype, let me ask the two questions. Tell me about the charges and what's prison is going to be like or what's jail going to be like for Joran van der Sloot?

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DAN COLLYNS, GLOBAL RADIO NETWORK CORRESPONDENT: Greta, the charges are first degree murder as we expected and also robbery. And as you mentioned there, the judge said he acted with great cruelty and ferocity.

Yes, it seems from the video you have there, extraordinary scenes in the palace of justice as he was transferred along with other prisoners. He was the last to be taken out of the back of a van. Instantly recognized by crowds and onlookers because of his close cut hair and stature, they shouted murder throwing vegetables as police held them back.

There's a great deal of public anger here as you can imagine and that's something that (inaudible) security prison. There are other (inaudible) murderers and terrorist mostly former members of (inaudible) as well as relatively small (inaudible) prisoners, very tightly controlled based on the U.S. prison model with several (inaudible).
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And a high level police source and prison security told me he will be held probably in solitary confinement for four to five months at least for his own safety, because this has been such a high profile and infamous case in Peru. He could easily be killed or seriously injured by other prisoners he told me.

So there are serious security concerns and they are wondering how they are going to be able to integrate him into the prison system. He will be there for probably several months before the trial begins and he will remain there after the trial when the sentence is given.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of those crowds, is it routine or common that crowds show up and scream things or is this unusual? It would be unusual in the United States for someone to be transported from the jail or courthouse or prison and have crowds show up and start yelling things. Is this unusual?

COLLYNS: This is - it's not as unusual as it would be in the United States. Crowds do show up. Sometimes they are encouraged by the authorities. I think in this case though there is such a high level of public anger. People were predicting where he would be and what time.

Crowds followed him from the police investigation unit to the prosecutor's office and the palace of justice. He's been followed by the press all the way to Castro-Castro prison as well. I can't remember a case like this, which has incited such public anger in the three years I've been in Peru. This is certainly the most infamous case I've heard of.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of solitary confinement, in the United States, you would have a cell that is relatively clean. You'll be left alone. You could get out periodically. Do you have any idea what solitary confinement means in Peru? What the conditions are of - the jail facility for instance?

COLLYNS: Well, Greta, as I mentioned, he's been held in solitary environment not as a punishment as such, but to protect him from other prisoners. It would be very basic. He will probably have a bucket in the corner for his bathroom and he'll have - he's also on suicide watch.

So there will be no kind of implements, which could he could in any way injure himself with. It is going to be very basic conditions. By all accounts, specially speaking to high level police sources experts in prison security, he's in for a very rough ride.

VAN SUSTEREN: Dan, thank you very much.

And there is more news tonight out of Peru. There is newly released surveillance tape of Joran van der Sloot from the morning of the murder.

Now, 8:35 a.m., Joran leaves his hotel room with two coffee cups in his hand. He lingers outside a few seconds then he knocks or at least pretends to knock on the door. Joran seems to be aware he's on camera. He then walks away and returns about 1 minute later.

Then Joran leaves yet, again, and at 8:39 a.m., Joran returns to the hotel worker who lets him into the room. Finally, about one hour later, Joran leaves the hotel for good. No coffee cups, but he does have his bags in hand.

So what does all of this mean to the prosecution? Let's bring in the panel. Joining us in San Francisco, former assistant DA Jim Hammer and here in Washington, criminal defense attorneys Ted Williams and Bernie Grimm.

Jim, (inaudible) to this case. You are looking at this video for the first time trying to figure out how it fits into scheme of the prosecution, what do you think?

JIM HAMMER, FORMER ASSISTANT D.A., SAN FRANCISCO: Well, I think I thank God that Joran van der Sloot is so stupid in addition to being a killer. I mean, it is a rare day that we actually get a look into somebody trying to lay their alibi.

And what it looks like to me is this guy is trying to lay the record with this hotel employee that look, I went to the room, everything was fine. All of a sudden, she ends up dead. The only mystery is the camera.

What I don't get still is, does he see the cameras? He looks towards it, not quite into it because if he does, he has to be awfully stupid not to know it shows him setting up this crazy alibi.

VAN SUSTEREN: Bernie, if I were the defense attorney I wouldn't be pleased with this videotape also knowing that in addition to that, they are going to sandwich it with the fact there's a dead woman inside that room.

BERNIE GRIMM, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, the problem is some defense lawyer could make hay out of the fact that, look, my client, he came back and he actually knocked on the door. Right here the guy is so cold and calculated and diabolical. He actually stops short of a couple inches.

VAN SUSTEREN: He comes out of the room, looks like a complete set-up. OK, now comes the fake where he does the knocking.

GRIMM: Right, it is just -- I don't know. It is like somebody putting together a bad movie. I mean, it's just - and then produced by Ted or something. It was just terrible.

TED WILLIAMS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I wouldn't even want to produce that movie, Brother Grimm. I can tell you. This guy is just cold, calculating and manipulative trying to set up an alibi, but I would have to say in (inaudible) that he stuck on stupid.

The fact about it is, we know that Van der Sloot and this woman entered that room. Nobody has left that room but Van der Sloot, in and out, no matter how many cups of coffee he had. I'm very troubled. I don't think it really helps Van Der Sloot at all.

VAN SUSTEREN: You know, the interesting about it, in the five years that we've been tracking the story. The one common thread is he seems so money motivated. The latest story is he was intended to rob her. What - Jim?

HAMMER: You are right, money motivated and calculated. I mean, -- it is chilling to watch this guy. Assuming it is true that he murdered her. We've all looked at a lot of murder cases, but to be this cold and calculated and cool about it. Carrying the coffee cups, asking the hotel guy, -- this is -- but is the picture of a really cold blooded killer if this is true, Greta. It's really just chilling.

VAN SUSTEREN: But that's the strange thing about it. We were in a hotel room with him in Thailand for hours on end one weekend and he seems like, quote, "a normal person, a normal young man." I mean, that's what -- that's a scary -- it is like he wasn't aggressive or anything.

GRIMM: The chilling thing you bring out about it. I saw your interview with him and he just seems like a regular guy, obviously he's got some issues.

VAN SUSTEREN: Yes, really.

GRIMM: But in this case, I mean, he's stealing $300 apparently from the woman and just such depravity.

VAN SUSTEREN: But he's so money-motivated. I mean, that was the whole thing to set -up with the FBI. He said he was trying to get money out of Beth Holloway. He will do anything for money.

GRIMM: It was $300 he was trying -

WILLIAMS: Yes - you know, and robbery they now believe is one of the reasons that he had this poor woman in his room. I can tell you what -- I'm listening to -- I heard the general who was in charge of the investigation say, well he has - he tells us he has information on Natalee, another manipulation. This guy is selling wolf tickets. I hope nobody buys them.

VAN SUSTEREN: Everyone is always looking for corroboration. He tells a different story and you go out and you get the story. We've gone out to get the story a number of occasions and we take the story and then we try to go out and corroborate. See if there's any truth and we always are looking forensics, always looking for a body.

WILLIAMS: What he is doing? He tells you what you want to hear. He's a good --

VAN SUSTEREN: No, he doesn't tell you what you want to hear. He is trying to hustle. He's always on the hustle.

WILLIAMS: I have to agree.

VAN SUSTEREN: I mean - you know, the thing that bothers me is now looking back, as you know, I think of his parents who stood by him and he's -- the way he has deceived them.

GRIMM: You met him, what was he like?

VAN SUSTEREN: Who? Joran or the father or the mother? I met them all.

GRIMM: Joran.

VAN SUSTEREN: I'm telling you that Joran, I mean, he's like, look - this is the bizarre thing about him is that you could have, quote, actually parenthesis or a normal person, but this is a young man who can have a normal conversation and apparently goes into another room and commits murder.

HAMMER: I think he's a sociopath.

VAN SUSTEREN: He's also a true murderer.

HAMMER: He has the cool perfect face and then when he needs to or when something kicks him off that rage kicks in and the details we've heard about the murder about this is vicious beating. That's the kind of -

(CROSSTALK)

VAN SUSTEREN: (Inaudible) another time discussed that -- we'll hear a lot more

The video does not seem to work but the transcript is interesting.
Joran appears to be a truely defective individual. He does not think about things like normal people do. He is totally devoid of a moral compass and who knows what his though process is with regards to getting caught. It seems like he thinks he will get away with it. I do not think he planned to spend the rest of his misreable life in a Peruvian prison. His thought are not rational so you cannot apply a model that would work on a rational person to Joran.
The point here, that I continually return to for a variety of cases, is that no threat of any punishment would make Joran fit into society.