Or maybe it was real. . .I can see why many people have dropped off here! They think we are a bunch of conspiracy nuts. Maybe we are! But it never hurts to ask questions and be aware of things.
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I am suspicious of many of these things as well. I have a weird gut feeling that the attempted terrorist attack on that plane a few days ago was set up by "they," if you will, as yet another scare tactic to keep the people in check. Thus the Orwellian-style of government marches on.
Or maybe it was real. . .I can see why many people have dropped off here! They think we are a bunch of conspiracy nuts. Maybe we are! But it never hurts to ask questions and be aware of things.
Or maybe it was real. . .I can see why many people have dropped off here! They think we are a bunch of conspiracy nuts. Maybe we are! But it never hurts to ask questions and be aware of things.
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Originally Posted by dangrsmind You are missing the point. The most important characteristic of a viable conspiracy theory is that it can not ever be falsified. Falsified theories get rejected and therefore don't propagate. In contrast, successful conspiracy theories don't allow any reasonable test that can show the theory to be false. By successful I mean specifically that these stories propagate, are repeated, and become part of the consensual reality of an identifiable group of people, i.e. 9/11 truthers. The best theories make no specific predictions and avoid any association with verifiable events in the future. See also http://www.armageddononline.org/failed_armageddon.php |
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"Given a choice between grief and nothing, I'd choose grief." WilliamFaulkner
...I heard that first when I was a teenager in "breathless" with Richard Gere and it always left a big impression on me....and you are right Wada,what if nothing would have happened last year?...would you be as happy as you are now when good things come your way?....as sick as I am of drama at times,it made me who I am today and I stopped asking "why me?",I just take every day as a battle that I'm ready to win lol
...I heard that first when I was a teenager in "breathless" with Richard Gere and it always left a big impression on me....and you are right Wada,what if nothing would have happened last year?...would you be as happy as you are now when good things come your way?....as sick as I am of drama at times,it made me who I am today and I stopped asking "why me?",I just take every day as a battle that I'm ready to win lol
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A Taoist tale...
This farmer had only one horse, and one day the horse ran away. The neighbors came to console over his terrible loss. The farmer said, "What makes you think it is so terrible?"
A month later, the horse came home--this time bringing with her two beautiful wild horses. The neighbors became excited at the farmer's good fortune. Such lovely strong horses! The farmer said, "What makes you think this is good fortune?"
The farmer's son was thrown from one of the wild horses and broke his leg. All the neighbors were very distressed. Such bad luck! The farmer said, "What makes you think it is bad?"
A war came, and every able-bodied man was conscripted and sent into battle. Only the farmer's son, because he had a broken leg, remained. The neighbors congratulated the farmer. "What makes you think this is good?" said the farmer.
From http://www.noogenesis.com/pineapple/Taoist_Farmer.html
In other words, "best" and "worst" are states of mind. The real situation is just how it is; it is inherently perfect. But how you feel about it is up to you. And remember you never know what is going to happen next.
This farmer had only one horse, and one day the horse ran away. The neighbors came to console over his terrible loss. The farmer said, "What makes you think it is so terrible?"
A month later, the horse came home--this time bringing with her two beautiful wild horses. The neighbors became excited at the farmer's good fortune. Such lovely strong horses! The farmer said, "What makes you think this is good fortune?"
The farmer's son was thrown from one of the wild horses and broke his leg. All the neighbors were very distressed. Such bad luck! The farmer said, "What makes you think it is bad?"
A war came, and every able-bodied man was conscripted and sent into battle. Only the farmer's son, because he had a broken leg, remained. The neighbors congratulated the farmer. "What makes you think this is good?" said the farmer.
From http://www.noogenesis.com/pineapple/Taoist_Farmer.html
In other words, "best" and "worst" are states of mind. The real situation is just how it is; it is inherently perfect. But how you feel about it is up to you. And remember you never know what is going to happen next.
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Originally Posted by Sizzle So, your interest is making money on the murders of 4 people? |
We have been on this case since day one and many of us here have become good friends and we are having conversations accordingly, youre free to join in but I dont appreciate people coming in here insulting others right off the bat.
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Originally Posted by Wes Mistakes??? A mistake is writing 2009 on your check instead of 2010. Premeditatedly killing four people is not simply a "mistake". |
Main Entry: 1mis·take
Pronunciation: \mə-ˈstāk\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): mis·took \-ˈstu̇k\; mis·tak·en \-ˈstā-kən\; mis·tak·ing
Etymology: Middle English
Date: 14th century
transitive verb
1 : to blunder in the choice of
2 a : to misunderstand the meaning or intention of : misinterpret
3 : to identify wrongly : confuse with another
Funny that this definition doesn't seem to specify that the word only applies to minor errors or errors in dates.
See also: http://www.experienceproject.com/gro...-So-Far/194403
And apparently Sam did say going to Farmville was the worst mistake of his life. FWIW.
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Well heck since we are looking up words and all:
TROLL
1. trolling
Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling
TROLL
1. trolling
Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling
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Originally Posted by Wes Mistakes??? A mistake is writing 2009 on your check instead of 2010. Premeditatedly killing four people is not simply a "mistake". |
I agree with Pax that most of us are capable of murder. I am pretty certain I myself could do it in self defense. This example, of course, is in stark contrast to a senseless mass bludgeoning of innocent people but it still would be murder nonetheless. It would be brutal, violent, and bloody.
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Oh hey Sizzle...why do I have a hunch you are Liz M?
Anyway, I think Sam's gotta pay for what he did, but that won't deter me from looking at the facts when they all come out, as to what his family life was like and what may have caused Sam to be a cold-blooded killer, if indeed, that is how it went down. Kids can have it pretty rough these days and I will feel compassion for him, but I also know that as bad as Sam had it, or may have had it; there are many more who've had it WORSE and they did not end up like Sam.
There is much information missing so at this time I'd say he belongs where he is, but getting a few books doesn't bother me at all and I'm usually a hard ass on that kind of stuff. For some unknown reason, Sam tweaks my pity nerve a little bit. As facts emerge, however that could disappear very quickly!
Was there an SKR influence? That will be even more interesting to me and I hope LE has not dropped the ball on investigating that angle.
And P.S. to Liz: your profile pic of little Caylee is only there to further sales of your new CD with the song about her on one of the tracks. Way to use a popular case in the media to try and get attention for your pathetic attempt at rap with the ghetto enunciation of Katie Couric, for Gawd's sake. Here's the knee slapper though, many of your "fans" will finally grow up, get a clue and leave and the ones that don't won't amount to enough in this world to afford to support your 'art'. Funny huh?
Anyway, I think Sam's gotta pay for what he did, but that won't deter me from looking at the facts when they all come out, as to what his family life was like and what may have caused Sam to be a cold-blooded killer, if indeed, that is how it went down. Kids can have it pretty rough these days and I will feel compassion for him, but I also know that as bad as Sam had it, or may have had it; there are many more who've had it WORSE and they did not end up like Sam.
There is much information missing so at this time I'd say he belongs where he is, but getting a few books doesn't bother me at all and I'm usually a hard ass on that kind of stuff. For some unknown reason, Sam tweaks my pity nerve a little bit. As facts emerge, however that could disappear very quickly!
Was there an SKR influence? That will be even more interesting to me and I hope LE has not dropped the ball on investigating that angle.
And P.S. to Liz: your profile pic of little Caylee is only there to further sales of your new CD with the song about her on one of the tracks. Way to use a popular case in the media to try and get attention for your pathetic attempt at rap with the ghetto enunciation of Katie Couric, for Gawd's sake. Here's the knee slapper though, many of your "fans" will finally grow up, get a clue and leave and the ones that don't won't amount to enough in this world to afford to support your 'art'. Funny huh?
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Originally Posted by Sizzle http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=retarded "•S: (adj) retarded (relatively slow in mental or emotional or physical development) |
If a group and their advocates hold in disfavor a word used to describe them, then out of respect the civilized person does not use that term. For example, disabled people generally deplore the word cripple, and so we would not, I wouldn't think, persist in calling them "cripples." The same then for retarded. Unless... you think these are people who are undeserving of respect, in which case, that is more about you than them.
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Originally Posted by Sizzle Thanks for clarifying that. Maybe someone should tell it to the State of Virginia and the Supreme Court. |
If you look into older American case law you'll also find the word "negro" used commonly. But most people don't use that word anymore because it is considered derogatory by most African Americans.
Just like "retarded".
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but I think you can say someone makes a bad decision, that he or she regrets, and that is a mistake. At least in common parlance.
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Pax, you and I do NOT agree with the DP,,however, what you said about the "forgiving issue is so right on...IMHO truer words haVE never been spoken...Keeping hate etc,,bottled up inside will destroy...
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Originally Posted by claudicici correct.I don't think she's a bad person.I'm sorry about your children but again I'm sure they have a reason. |
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We dont hold our elected leaders accountable for mass murder but when an obviously disturbed young girl who grew up the child of meth addicts, acts out in what is likely a cry for help, we demand her head on a platter.
Yes we are a civilization in decay, very much so. We live in bizzaro world.
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Since bipolar disorder does run in families this would certainly explain the behavior of these 3 relatives of yours. I do not think you can dismiss this as easily as you may first wish to.
They certainly do have a choice to go get some help and I would never make any excuses for them for not making that decision and instead deciding to self medicate but still, I doubt they are just using drugs for the **** of it in fact every druggie I have known was a self medicator of some sort and they all had mental health issues.
Regardless, addiction itself is a disease and I dont think it is right to call sick people "criminal assholes." These people are sick, they are not themselves and no amount of browbeating, insulting or name calling will help them. Its going to take a very strong person to help them, someone who is strong enough not to judge them but who will take the time to help them see what the drugs have done to them and how sick they have become because of the choices they have made. Addiction is a medical issue and since none of us are doctors its probably not easy for us to understand.
In any case this is yet another example of a fundamental disagreement, I think no less of you because you feel this way but I feel very strongly that you are wrong and that your love for them has led you astray. Detach yourself from the situation and stand back and see just how sick and in need of medical attention these kids are and you might change your mind about them.
Addiction can run in families and skip generations, their parents may have done a perfect job raising them but if they inherited a bad gene there is nothing anyone can do about that. Genetics do not discriminate and I think you would be wise to reconsider how you feel about them with this in mind before you simply write them off as ungrateful criminal assholes who had it all and threw it away. Its NEVER that simple my friend.
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Without guns, what will I do when the zombies come?
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Originally Posted by PAXIMUS Agreed but be careful with that mindset around here, it will get you in trouble. |
And besides, since when did being in the minority bother either of you???
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Originally Posted by PAXIMUS So Dahmer's killer isnt a murderer? |
The word "murder" has currently accepted meanings. It is not generally accepted that an executioner who takes the life or a convicted murderer who has been sentenced to die for the crimes for which he has been convicted would legitimately be referred to as a murderer.
I would argue that your rhetorical approach here is flawed. If you wish to attempt to broaden the definition of the word "murderer," then it is incumbent upon you to first offer a case for that rather than to decree that your use is correct until challenged.
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Originally Posted by PAXIMUS So Dahmer's killer isnt a murderer? |
When we decide through our laws that an execution is a reasonable means of dealing with killers such as Dahmer, I don't have a problem with it. In a different jurisdiction he may have been sentenced to death. When an individual takes it upon themselves to administer justice that is not good public policy; so yes, he's a murderer.
Does that mean the outcome was necessarily bad? What do you think? You think we'd be better off somehow feeding and housing JD? I can't say that I do. __________________
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Well for me it isnt about us being better off feeding him or whatever, it simply comes down to me refusing to accept state sanctioned killing. I would rather feed him then give big brother that sort of power, yes. To me thast a no brainer but maybe not to others who trust their elected leaders more than I do. I have a healthy distrust for government and authority in general and I am not willing to give it any more power than it needs.
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If youre still under the OT law whats the point of Jesus sacrifice, Paul and Jesus both make it clear that you are no longer under those Laws, his blood was shed to remove that yoke from around your neck. In Jesus all sins, even murder, are forgiven
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Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
And since Jesus is God
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word(JESUS), and the Word(JESUS) was with God, and the Word(JESUS) was God.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(JESUS), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
And here is a verse that shows Jesus was present in the Old Testement
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Also Jesus was present in the Beginning.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
So therefore if Jesus is the same forever and he is God and Never changes, that also mean that his word never changes. Not even this.
KJV Genesis 9:6 "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."
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Do you seriously believe that Jesus would have no problem with the DP?
One need not go as far as Jesus was willing to go, namely, to the point of sacrificing one's own life rather than returning evil for evil by taking up arms against those who were bent upon destroying him. One need not aspire to the higher calling of love, mercy, and forgiveness that Christ professed to see what is wrong with the capital punishment system. One only needs to accept the far more basic principles of fairness and equity to which the whole of humanity aspires in order to see the tragic faults of the death penalty as it is practiced in this country, and to put a stop to the killing, at the very least until serious reforms can be put into practice. And beyond that, for Christians who actually do profess to be imitators of the crucified one, supporting the death penalty is hypocritical at best, and possibly even an outright betrayal of Jesus himself imo.
Look at who Jesus hung out with: lepers, prostitutes, thieves—the throwaways of his day. If you call yourselves Jesus' disciples, you too have to keep ministering to the marginated, the throwaways, the lepers of today. And there are no more marginated, thrown-away, and leprous people in our society than death-row inmates.
One need not go as far as Jesus was willing to go, namely, to the point of sacrificing one's own life rather than returning evil for evil by taking up arms against those who were bent upon destroying him. One need not aspire to the higher calling of love, mercy, and forgiveness that Christ professed to see what is wrong with the capital punishment system. One only needs to accept the far more basic principles of fairness and equity to which the whole of humanity aspires in order to see the tragic faults of the death penalty as it is practiced in this country, and to put a stop to the killing, at the very least until serious reforms can be put into practice. And beyond that, for Christians who actually do profess to be imitators of the crucified one, supporting the death penalty is hypocritical at best, and possibly even an outright betrayal of Jesus himself imo.
Look at who Jesus hung out with: lepers, prostitutes, thieves—the throwaways of his day. If you call yourselves Jesus' disciples, you too have to keep ministering to the marginated, the throwaways, the lepers of today. And there are no more marginated, thrown-away, and leprous people in our society than death-row inmates.
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